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		<title>By: cthulhu</title>
		<link>http://cogitz.com/2009/09/14/the-mysterious-voynich-manuscript/#comment-2344</link>
		<dc:creator>cthulhu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2011 02:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it just me or does it look like elvish? :)</description>
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		<title>By: Betsy</title>
		<link>http://cogitz.com/2009/09/14/the-mysterious-voynich-manuscript/#comment-2296</link>
		<dc:creator>Betsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 07:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few things always bother me when looking at the images of this manuscript, and they&#039;re more to do with WHY it was written than what it says. 

1.) The &quot;script&quot; is exceedingly regular, deliberate, and artfully embellished.  The images are amateurish, even by medieval standards.  Why the incongruity?  If this were the work of a scholar, or even an eccentric member of the aristocracy, why would they allow the illustrations to be so poor?  The limited colorization appears to be added after the outlines, apparently by a drunk guy painting with his toes.  Why would they go to the trouble of writing and illustrating a codex comprised of hundreds of pages if the end result was so mediocre?

Hypothetical solution A:  It could be the work of two people. For whatever reason, someone would do the illustrations, then pass them along to their friend in order for them to write descriptions around the images.
--&gt; Problem: If the document is meant to be secretive, why involve collaborators?  Both parties would have to possess equal knowledge of the subject matter, and work closely together to make this scenario work. Which leads me to...

Hypothetical solution B: The author(s) is young, possibly pubescent. Handwriting skills develop faster than artistic talent, and it&#039;s natural for youngsters to be obsessively secretive (especially when drawing naked ladies and other such forbidden subject matter).
--&gt; Problem: Aside from the fact that it&#039;s difficult to imagine any young teen with an attention span long enough to complete a document like this, in circa 15th Century Europe, where would they get their hands on the materials?  Even the spoiled child of a wealthy family would raise eyebrows buying vellum sheets in that day and age (which was becoming less popular than paper), and undoubtedly draw undesired attention to their project.  This goes for adults with mental illness as well, as I&#039;ve heard theorized. Thus...

Hypothetical solution C: The author is a crappy artist with nice handwriting, and genius-level code-writing skills. In order to preserve secrecy, the (adult) author forgoes artistry. Discretion is more important than technical aptitude; hence the elegant coded script paired with cryptic, childlike illustrations.
--&gt; Problem: What kind of document this side of the Pentagon requires such an extreme level of secrecy?  A Masonic diary?  A treatise on the meaning of life, the existence of God, and the location of Area 51?  Nope, a pseudo-scientific herbal/astronomical/medical/architectural thingamajig. Which brings me to another thing that bugs me:

2.) The fundamental problem I have with this being a composite of herbal/medical/astronomical knowledge is that those types of books are instructional; they&#039;re meant to be read by other people!  Writing the darn thing in undecipherable code defeats the whole purpose.  Same goes for it being an allegory or fable.  Those writings are only useful if they can be understood by other people.

Hypothetical solution A: The book contains such outrageous or profound information that it should never surface, lest the world be rent apart or lightening smite the reader.
--&gt; Problem: The illustrations seem to indicate that the subject matter is not necessarily paranormal; They&#039;re fanciful renditions of things found here on earth. There are researchers that have convincingly identified some of the plants, though theories abound regarding the &quot;medical&quot; drawings.  The fact remains however, that these are not aliens, recognizable religious or political figures, or anything that could rock the proverbial boat.  Even if the info really is that earth-shattering, wouldn&#039;t the author eventually want SOMEONE to be able to understand it?

Hypothetical solution B: It&#039;s actually never meant to be read, but more of a private diary or reference book. 
--&gt; Problem: Why would the author choose to use vellum over paper?  Just to be posh?  If it&#039;s a private diary, not meant to be seen by anyone else, why go to the expense of making it on vellum?  And if being fancy IS a concern, why the shoddy illustrations?  It&#039;s maddening.

My final theory: The author was some sort of eccentric, possibly with a mental illness, writing what they believe is an infinitely important magnum opus, but it actually means nothing.  

Either that, or it&#039;s an elaborate hoax meant to steal years off people&#039;s lives as they obsess over this thing way into the wee hours of the night.  In that at least, it&#039;s a success!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few things always bother me when looking at the images of this manuscript, and they&#8217;re more to do with WHY it was written than what it says. </p>
<p>1.) The &#8220;script&#8221; is exceedingly regular, deliberate, and artfully embellished.  The images are amateurish, even by medieval standards.  Why the incongruity?  If this were the work of a scholar, or even an eccentric member of the aristocracy, why would they allow the illustrations to be so poor?  The limited colorization appears to be added after the outlines, apparently by a drunk guy painting with his toes.  Why would they go to the trouble of writing and illustrating a codex comprised of hundreds of pages if the end result was so mediocre?</p>
<p>Hypothetical solution A:  It could be the work of two people. For whatever reason, someone would do the illustrations, then pass them along to their friend in order for them to write descriptions around the images.<br />
&#8211;&gt; Problem: If the document is meant to be secretive, why involve collaborators?  Both parties would have to possess equal knowledge of the subject matter, and work closely together to make this scenario work. Which leads me to&#8230;</p>
<p>Hypothetical solution B: The author(s) is young, possibly pubescent. Handwriting skills develop faster than artistic talent, and it&#8217;s natural for youngsters to be obsessively secretive (especially when drawing naked ladies and other such forbidden subject matter).<br />
&#8211;&gt; Problem: Aside from the fact that it&#8217;s difficult to imagine any young teen with an attention span long enough to complete a document like this, in circa 15th Century Europe, where would they get their hands on the materials?  Even the spoiled child of a wealthy family would raise eyebrows buying vellum sheets in that day and age (which was becoming less popular than paper), and undoubtedly draw undesired attention to their project.  This goes for adults with mental illness as well, as I&#8217;ve heard theorized. Thus&#8230;</p>
<p>Hypothetical solution C: The author is a crappy artist with nice handwriting, and genius-level code-writing skills. In order to preserve secrecy, the (adult) author forgoes artistry. Discretion is more important than technical aptitude; hence the elegant coded script paired with cryptic, childlike illustrations.<br />
&#8211;&gt; Problem: What kind of document this side of the Pentagon requires such an extreme level of secrecy?  A Masonic diary?  A treatise on the meaning of life, the existence of God, and the location of Area 51?  Nope, a pseudo-scientific herbal/astronomical/medical/architectural thingamajig. Which brings me to another thing that bugs me:</p>
<p>2.) The fundamental problem I have with this being a composite of herbal/medical/astronomical knowledge is that those types of books are instructional; they&#8217;re meant to be read by other people!  Writing the darn thing in undecipherable code defeats the whole purpose.  Same goes for it being an allegory or fable.  Those writings are only useful if they can be understood by other people.</p>
<p>Hypothetical solution A: The book contains such outrageous or profound information that it should never surface, lest the world be rent apart or lightening smite the reader.<br />
&#8211;&gt; Problem: The illustrations seem to indicate that the subject matter is not necessarily paranormal; They&#8217;re fanciful renditions of things found here on earth. There are researchers that have convincingly identified some of the plants, though theories abound regarding the &#8220;medical&#8221; drawings.  The fact remains however, that these are not aliens, recognizable religious or political figures, or anything that could rock the proverbial boat.  Even if the info really is that earth-shattering, wouldn&#8217;t the author eventually want SOMEONE to be able to understand it?</p>
<p>Hypothetical solution B: It&#8217;s actually never meant to be read, but more of a private diary or reference book.<br />
&#8211;&gt; Problem: Why would the author choose to use vellum over paper?  Just to be posh?  If it&#8217;s a private diary, not meant to be seen by anyone else, why go to the expense of making it on vellum?  And if being fancy IS a concern, why the shoddy illustrations?  It&#8217;s maddening.</p>
<p>My final theory: The author was some sort of eccentric, possibly with a mental illness, writing what they believe is an infinitely important magnum opus, but it actually means nothing.  </p>
<p>Either that, or it&#8217;s an elaborate hoax meant to steal years off people&#8217;s lives as they obsess over this thing way into the wee hours of the night.  In that at least, it&#8217;s a success!</p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2011 00:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It looks rather like Tengwar..... Hmmmmmmmm........ :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks rather like Tengwar&#8230;.. Hmmmmmmmm&#8230;&#8230;.. <img src='http://cogitz.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: htos1</title>
		<link>http://cogitz.com/2009/09/14/the-mysterious-voynich-manuscript/#comment-2150</link>
		<dc:creator>htos1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 19:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah,I know of a process where parchment is taken from Israeli digs,and then the perpatrator will recover carbon(for ink) from Pompeii and use these materials to produce an &quot;authentic&quot; document.
This is the same.
I&#039;ve longed played with my own &quot;alien&quot; language,similar to a binary pattern.It torques off my associates who have to the mixer consoles with those labels,after me.  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah,I know of a process where parchment is taken from Israeli digs,and then the perpatrator will recover carbon(for ink) from Pompeii and use these materials to produce an &#8220;authentic&#8221; document.<br />
This is the same.<br />
I&#8217;ve longed played with my own &#8220;alien&#8221; language,similar to a binary pattern.It torques off my associates who have to the mixer consoles with those labels,after me.  <img src='http://cogitz.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: donpito</title>
		<link>http://cogitz.com/2009/09/14/the-mysterious-voynich-manuscript/#comment-2060</link>
		<dc:creator>donpito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Feb 2011 10:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The writer was autistic, this is the reason why it has inteligible chars.</description>
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		<title>By: Sojourner</title>
		<link>http://cogitz.com/2009/09/14/the-mysterious-voynich-manuscript/#comment-1957</link>
		<dc:creator>Sojourner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Dec 2010 16:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well honestly hadn&#039;t considered that, did they find the dice?</description>
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		<title>By: Sojourner</title>
		<link>http://cogitz.com/2009/09/14/the-mysterious-voynich-manuscript/#comment-1956</link>
		<dc:creator>Sojourner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Dec 2010 16:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First time posting here so Hello.  I had heard of the MS before but never actually went to look at it until last night.  After having read some descriptions/reviews and possible explanations I then sought the images of the book itself.  It has a kind of hypnotic gravity, meaning it sucks you in to ITS world or theme (singular as it is).  Not having any expertise in any of the fields necessary to begin to describe its origins I was struck by the visual aspect alone and not so much in deciphering text/artwork.  Images that stuck:  the repeated view of women (white) superimposed over a green b/g.  The &quot;botanical&quot; images that SEEM to imply flowers.  Characters in the text particularly the ones that look like &quot;P&quot;&#039;s but connected back to back.  The b/g color green and those &quot;P&quot;s looked like the color and shape of a poppy.  The white &quot;women&quot; (often arrayed in a line) looked like &quot;milking&quot; a poppy bud.  The one thing I thought of the text, looking at page in whole,  is that it looked like stream of thought script.  Just writing what popped in.  What writers do for &quot;brainstorming.&quot;  Those P&#039;s are IN IT REPEATEDLY along with other shapes that suggest it.  Here&#039;s a stretch:  could the manuscript be some opium junkie with background in botany hallucinatory &quot;rants&quot; (in quotes b/c nobody but him knows what he&#039;s yelling about) expounding the virtues of &quot;mind expanding&quot; drugs.  15th century Timothy Leary: &quot;Tune in turn on, drop out.&quot;  I dunno know.  I gotta go and milk a bud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First time posting here so Hello.  I had heard of the MS before but never actually went to look at it until last night.  After having read some descriptions/reviews and possible explanations I then sought the images of the book itself.  It has a kind of hypnotic gravity, meaning it sucks you in to ITS world or theme (singular as it is).  Not having any expertise in any of the fields necessary to begin to describe its origins I was struck by the visual aspect alone and not so much in deciphering text/artwork.  Images that stuck:  the repeated view of women (white) superimposed over a green b/g.  The &#8220;botanical&#8221; images that SEEM to imply flowers.  Characters in the text particularly the ones that look like &#8220;P&#8221;&#8216;s but connected back to back.  The b/g color green and those &#8220;P&#8221;s looked like the color and shape of a poppy.  The white &#8220;women&#8221; (often arrayed in a line) looked like &#8220;milking&#8221; a poppy bud.  The one thing I thought of the text, looking at page in whole,  is that it looked like stream of thought script.  Just writing what popped in.  What writers do for &#8220;brainstorming.&#8221;  Those P&#8217;s are IN IT REPEATEDLY along with other shapes that suggest it.  Here&#8217;s a stretch:  could the manuscript be some opium junkie with background in botany hallucinatory &#8220;rants&#8221; (in quotes b/c nobody but him knows what he&#8217;s yelling about) expounding the virtues of &#8220;mind expanding&#8221; drugs.  15th century Timothy Leary: &#8220;Tune in turn on, drop out.&#8221;  I dunno know.  I gotta go and milk a bud.</p>
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		<title>By: dusk</title>
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		<dc:creator>dusk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 03:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bwahahahahahaa!!! classic!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bwahahahahahaa!!! classic!!</p>
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		<title>By: dusk</title>
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		<dc:creator>dusk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 03:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah yeah. i remember as a child i wasz always coming up with weird languages and codes for use with my friends so that icky girls and stupid adults couldnt find out about all my secrets. lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah yeah. i remember as a child i wasz always coming up with weird languages and codes for use with my friends so that icky girls and stupid adults couldnt find out about all my secrets. lol</p>
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		<title>By: dusk</title>
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		<dc:creator>dusk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 03:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i agree andrew. carbon dating is a fairly unstable dating method of late. however, there is another process by which an amount of usable data could be construed. if one were to obtain a sample of the ink used to write the MS, the specific markers in the chemical makeup could point to a region to which it came from. inks are different around the world since they are made of just about anything. it could also be carbon dated since it cantains biological matter. what do you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i agree andrew. carbon dating is a fairly unstable dating method of late. however, there is another process by which an amount of usable data could be construed. if one were to obtain a sample of the ink used to write the MS, the specific markers in the chemical makeup could point to a region to which it came from. inks are different around the world since they are made of just about anything. it could also be carbon dated since it cantains biological matter. what do you think?</p>
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